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Dillas:

No. Heís the one who said he met Ted first and came on the boat and saw Ted with the long finger nail and thought this guy must be cool. He put some coke on a napkin and told him try this, take it to the bathroom, snort it and tell me what you think about it. He said when Ted came back he said, yeah, man, it tastes pretty good.

Roberts:

Yeah, Ted doesnít do drugs. -

Dillas:

This is the bullshit. Ted just bullshit him. Ted knew I was looking for contacts.

Roberts:

Oh, oh, yes, he got in contact with you.

Dillas:

Ted said, yes, I know someone ... what Iím saying is, now they have quashed the conviction of Ted and Colin, the whole case is involved around the Ted Ming trial, Ted was the beginning of the conspiracy by the meeting of Victor Alongi, which actually is the beginning of the conspiracy, supposed to be the allega≠tion. Now that Tedís gone, if, if, if, Tedís evidence canít be used, if Ted wasnít part of the conspiracy.

Young:

Why there?

Dillas:

Ted, why, where, came if Victor Alongi, if the Court attacked, they donít know how long to set when Victor Alongi really met Ted, how could Victor Alongi meet me.

Young:

Exactly.

Dillas:

See what Iím saying.

Roberts:

So you met Victor Alongi.

Dillas:

Who.

Roberts:

Up, up Ted.

Dillas:

Yeah, but they canít prove that. He got, he got up on the stand and said, I said Iíve never known this man in my life.

Roberts:

Thatís what you said.

Dillas:

Yeah, everybody said it, every Bermudian, all of us. We donít know him.

Roberts:

But, but, you know.

Dillas:

Yeah, yeah, course we know him (Laughing).

Roberts:

Left that guy out there all by himself like that.

Dillas:

Yeah, bie and the QCís job was to discredit him when he came down here.

Young:

And he did.

Dillas:

Yeah, he discredited him, he started saying all types of things, the guy, the QC I told you before the QC. You tell the members of this jury, you know and I know that you came down here for a special deal to testify about these men, is that correct, didnít the Crown in the United States make an agreement. He says yes, but that it wasnít guaranteed. He said, so you have something to gain from this. Yes, thatís correct. So you have all the reason to come and say them things, is that correct. Yes. Let me say this to you (Laughter), would you say that you are a liar. No, sir, no. You wouldnít say you were a liar, youíre sure about that, think about that.

Roberts:

Thatís the QC talking.

Dillas:

QC Mmm, heís bad. Think about it, your not a liar. Members of the jury you heard this man for your≠self, heís not a liar. Let me say this to you Mr. Alongi, would you say you were one to tell lies, no sir. No, Mr. Alongi, the cops produced evidence, that you came to Bermuda seven or eight times. We have the documents and section somewhere in the book, members of the jury would you look at it. Okay, Mr. Alongi, you come here under five alias names, Philip Helper, Victor Alongi, Luis somebody.  Yeah, all the names is that correct.

Young:

So you are a liar (Laughter).

Dillas:

So you are a liar. No sir. Mr. Alongi, I found it difficult for you to accept that you came to contradict yourself and you do not accept that you tell lies. You just told members of the jury that you donít tell lies. Would you say that all those names are all your names. What is your name. Victor... Alongi. Are you going to tell members of the jury, where do you keep getting the names from. Did you get them from a phone book or did you go to a cemetery and get them off tomb stones. Oh yer he was bad. Were you there Ö

Young:

Yer I was there.

Dillas:

Fuck boy, crowd was...

Young:

Laughing like ~

Dillas:

That guy is awesome Jules bie, I am serious.

Roberts:

And Hall had never met him.

Dillas:

Who?

Roberts:

That guy Alongi, Hall had never met him.

Dillas:

No, no Hall didnít know who he was.

Roberts:

Hall didnít know none of the Cubans.

Dillas:

Yeah, just Marcus but the guy was rolling

Roberts:

So Hall, and Hall, so, so, so Hall must be in pretty deep too innit.

Dillas:

No man, he just does the commercial part, he never touches dope man.

Roberts:

You guys got him started back in business then, got him back on his feet.

Dillas:

Yeah, we got him back on his feet, and he knew where the money sources were coming from and I used to pay him off with coke.

Roberts:

He was trying to get the pizza business so everything would run smooth.

Dillas:

Mmrn.

Roberts:

Wash the money.

Dillas:

Yeah, Tony said all that in his evidence.

Roberts: Tony said all that in his evidence.
Dillas: Yes, in his evidence Tony said Julian was to be the one to be watching out for me for the whole organization, he was the one if any of the runners got in trouble, he would be the lawyer who got in to represent them.

Roberts:

And washing the money.

Dillas:

And he was going to be the one which opened up the pizza shop. Seney came right back and did it, said the same thing.

Roberts:

He was to be the launderer.

Dillas:

Seney says, that Marcus Cohab told him that Marcus Cohab was one of the ones to bail Mr. Julian Hall out of debt when he went bankrupt.

Roberts:

Thatís true.

Dillas:

Yes itís true. This case might be ... if she goes down.

Young:

Hall, all this could come to light.

Dillas:

Yer, thatís why we have to get the QCís.

Roberts:

They say heís involved with that guy, a white man, how about that too.

Dillas:

No, no, thatís just an allegation, cops just Thatís why he has to have a QC though QC will not only be fighting for me heís fighting for this shit not to come out. Itís just like in the first case, we kept it out, lawyer X, Mr. X.

Roberts:

Hallís going round, playing like heís so upright. Heís a bastard, heís a bastard. Thereís a lot of them like him around here man.

Dillas:

Iíll be fighting ... for the next Ö fuck it. I ainít pleading guilty bie.

Young:

When do you start, when do you start your sentence.

Dillas:

If that lawyer really tells me, QC tells me thereís no way out, at that point I might reconsider.

Young:

I tell you, youíve got plenty of days ... plenty of avenues, plenty of avenues open bie.

Roberts:

Hall used to take money out of the Island too innit.

Dillas:

No.

Roberts:

He never used to smuggle money out.

Dillas:

No, he just used to set up Hallís companies. Thatís why the man was never able to find no money that I had. Theyíre making all these allegations that Iíve got..

Roberts:

So how many companies you have?

Dillas:

Me.

Roberts:

How many companies you have?

Dillas:

I have two.

Roberts:

What are they called?

Dillas:

I canít remember.

Roberts:

Oh okay, I ... pizza restaurants and all that there.

Dillas:

Thatís going to be my ace in the hole. If things donít go right at that point, I will notify that name cause that should be registered.

Roberts:

Okay.

Dillas:

See what Iím saying.

Roberts:

Yeah.

Dillas:

Thatís my strongest ace card.

Roberts:

You donít want to play your ace until the right time coming.

Dillas:

Oh yer.

Young:

And then, in the event that everything does work out and you get out of the second case and the first case, that will be like a survival kit.

Dillas:

I want to tell you, with a good QC a QC can sometimes make things that, cases that look impossible, he can make them way out man, theyíre masters, know what Iím saying. Iím just staking my points of view. I know how that ehhhh... the main thing is that the Crown has to prove that I conspired with this Raymond Seney, they have to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that I told this guy to come to Bermuda, to bring drugs down.

Young:

And you didnít.

Dillas:

. and the worse thing the QC can make it look like the cops set up this guy to call me, which is clearly in evidence that he called me.

Young:

Which in essence, they did.

Dillas:

And the thing is we could get him on the Island for three days. If it was for me, surely, wouldnít it be picked up before that time.

Young:

Especially a kilo and a half.

Roberts:

Oh, oh was it for you or the sisters.

Dillas:

Some was for Coleman, some for the sisters, I was going to get some ... No instructions as far as where it was suppose to go to. He said someone was suppose to fly down from the United States.

Roberts:

But he knew, who was it suppose to go to then?

Dillas:

Yeah, but just the fact that he... QC .... see what Iím saying.. . Mr. Seney did you say that in your statement, did you say this ... know what Iím saying, and once he starts ... fuck it up. Once I can make him look like heís a liar, thatís it. Use it to discredit him.

Young:

Also discredit him in the effect that he would do anything when he got caught, he would do anything, he would have pricked on anybody.

Roberts:

So how long was Ted involved in all that there ... (laughing) Ted must have made a pretty good bit of money too bie.

Dillas:

Ted was a millionaire before that Jules.

Roberts:

Yer I know, I know.

Dillas:

He only got it in the last six months.

Roberts:

So he got a couple of grand.

Dillas:

Yer.

Roberts:

Two hundred grand.

Dillas:

He had all his houses and guest homes before he even come onto that, taxis, he had all that.

Roberts:

I canít understand why the man is so greedy man. He risk all man, he risk all man, and heís already got. Fuck... then Doc gets up on the stand and tells a whole heap of shit

Dillas:

Yer, yet.

Young:

Going upstairs.

Dillas:

Yer, yer, yer, yer ... thereís one thing I forgot, thatís when Ted wants some coke from Tony, I helped to Ö twenty thousand dollars.

Roberts:

He was getting it too.

Dillas:

I sold it from down Rangers, fucking ass.

Young:

Felt like slapping him didnít you ... I felt like jumping up and kicking him right in his fucking  mouth I just walked in, I felt like slapping the shit out of him.

Dillas:

Stupid innit.

Young:

Fucking ass.

Dillas:

The man didnít even catch him with nothing.

Roberts:

He has been, does it too.

Dillas:

Yeah.

Roberts:

So you had to make it look like, make it look like heís a liar.

Dillas:

Heís a liar, I made him say he was a liar tell the fucking truth, youíre a liar. Then Barry Meade asked him, Mr. Ebbin, would you say that you call yourself a liar. He said yes. (Laughter).

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