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February 1993
The transcript of the tape that resulted in
Dexter Dillas changing his plea to guilty. The tape lasted about 2 hours:
Dwayne YOUNG |
Out of order. |
Dexter DILLAS |
Oh
yeah... |
YOUNG |
You turned it off. |
DILLAS |
It was
on, it was on, came on quick after that. Got out of jail. |
YOUNG |
When I got out, I got out November, no I out fucking |
DILLAS |
You called me once and I talked to you remember |
YOUNG |
Right and said, what’s happening. |
YOUNG |
I
think you was, cause you answered, hello hello hello hello (laughter)
(Shouting). |
YOUNG |
.. .Dukie
man. Look talk to you later, busy right now. |
Julian ROBERTS |
What you’s do bye. What you’s doing |
YOUNG |
Ring, ring. |
ROBERTS |
It’s ringing. |
ROBERTS |
You guys must have a lot of that shit innit. |
DILLAS |
What. |
ROBERTS |
You guys must have a lot of that shit boy (general mumbling). |
DILLAS |
Look, look look Jules, kilos. (More mumbling). |
ROBERTS |
So
how long you been picking up kilos. |
DILLAS |
Every week... I made money man, I nothing less of every key, nothing less
than $150,000.00. (more mumbling). |
DILLAS |
.
. .because I turned thirty four into forty right |
ROBERTS |
Thirty four into forty? |
DILLAS |
Thirty four ounce I turned into forty ounces. I put four grams of cut into
every twenty eight grams. A kilo is thirty four grams err thirty four
ounces right. I turned thirty four into forty right. Sell them wholesale at
3,000 that is 120,000 ... usually... would end up with two extra ounces of
raw and that is what I would use for my entertaining. |
YOUNG |
Two ounces raw. |
DILLAS |
Raw. |
YOUNG |
Laughs |
ROBERTS |
Your boy
Seney
used to bring you all that shit |
DILLAS |
Yeah, he just brought two... |
ROBERTS |
A
key and a half, that’s what he got caught with. |
DILLAS |
Yes. With four fucking ounces. |
ROBERTS |
How much is a kilo to buy... how many ounces? |
DILLAS |
Thirty four ounces. Two point two pounds make a kilo... a pound is sixteen
ounces. . .thirty two and two.. .thirty four. |
ROBERTS |
Oh
so you had a different horse hooking you up then. |
DILLAS |
Oh
yeah, yeah, yeah he only came round in the last couple of months. |
YOUNG |
Angela um um |
DILLAS |
... (Mumbling) No, no the girl that got murdered, Deborah
Owens, the one
who was supposed to have my baby. She fucking bought twelve kilos herself,
she never got caught. The came Julio Junki, he bought about five. |
YOUNG |
who? |
DILLAS |
Julio Junki, a Cuban boy |
ROBERTS |
Oh
he is your main contact |
DILLAS |
No.
Marcos Cohab
that’s the guy I was working for up in the States. After Juki
came, came Ruiz after
Ruiz came
Miranda after Debbie came Angela Trapasso.
Also I missed out before Miranda was Danny Latini, the guy who was in jail
and died of AIDS. Daniel Latini, then there was Miranda, Miranda was heavy
with Trapasso, then there was Paul Seney.
|
Roberts |
How did your boy
Ted get involved man. |
Dillas |
Ted picked up from
fucking Tony
man, from .‘right underneath my nose, told me he was sending one key, sent
two keys, didn’t know he had one. |
Dillas |
I didn’t know why, every time I got a key and look at it, how do you do
that there? Let me see. I thought he was just being inquisitive. |
Young |
Curious. |
Dillas |
Yeah. |
Young |
He was just checking what’s happening. |
Dillas |
Yeah, he learned very quick. |
Young |
(Loud laugh). |
Roberts |
Gave you a hundred and ten what. |
Dillas |
Thousand dollars. |
Roberts |
For what. For a kilo. |
Dillas |
. . . easy. That’s wholesale. I could have made two hundred or more. |
Dillas |
I was selling wholesale.. .this boy was making dollars. . .he thought that
was fun. And then. . .come in so consistently every week, he probably
said... |
Young |
. . .one hundred and twenty thousand every week. |
Dillas |
Yeah, yeah. That used to go in about a week you see what I’m saying I used
to have a thing with my boy of every key. I was making sixty, he was making
sixty. |
Roberts |
Right OK. |
Young |
Who is that there |
Dillas |
Marcos the main guy. |
Roberts |
Would you send him back the sixty. |
Dillas |
Yes. Change it all up into US, take about two weeks. . .change up over five
thousand, he changed the whole thing clean, no records. |
Roberts |
So how your boy Hall get involved? |
Dillas |
Huh. |
Roberts |
How your boy
Hall
got in there? |
Dillas |
He got involved . . . he knew Marcos Cohab before me.
|
Roberts |
Oh so he must have run in between. |
Dillas |
No he never ... no he never really ran with it. But he used
to clean up money for Marcos Cohab. When Marcos Cohab first came to Bermuda
he was seventeen years old. He bought the house Rocky Thompson had right. He
was caught getting out of the Island with one hundred and fifty thousand
dollars.
Julian Hall
got him off right. Ever since then, they became mutual friends. Julian knew
what he was about. So Julian was like the advisor, all his runners if they
came down and got in trouble . . .see what I'm saying. |
Roberts |
Right, right. |
Dillas |
He was given money to do this |
Roberts |
He was a stand in lawyer more or less. |
Dillas |
He was given money way in advance in case of ‘emergencies.
Emergencies like.. .when they got busted, no money had had to be paid
because Julian picked up about one hundred and fifty thousand for emergency
things. You know what I’m saying. To reinvest, supposed to open up a pizza
shop to camouflage the whole thing. Now with me, now with me, when I got thy
first two hundred dollars, well what I used to do was dig a hole in the area
up my house
area up by my house. But this guy, he was
working for Ted went out to the woods
to shit I don’t know what made him go up this part of the
hill but went up to drop a shit and stepped on a soft part found about one
hundred and fifty thousand. I went to dig that day and it was gone |
Young |
Loud laugh. |
Roberts |
Who was the guy. |
Dilas |
Ross Smith. I had a fit. |
Roberts |
You had a fit. |
Dillas |
Hey boy I went crazy. Hey boy check it need some covers. Two
days I couldn’t figure out who it was... Ted Ming, so he was keeping his
tools down stairs at Ted’s house right. |
Roberts |
Two. |
Dillas |
His tool kit and stuff like that. And fuck him up. I started
accusing all these guys. . .so I bought him a…I went back up the hill. I
took the toolbox right, and when he was on his lunch break I just put the
boxes in the sand, down beneath his tools and left there. I wanted to see if
I could get a reaction from him. He must have came back and one of his tool
boxes must have freaked, I didn’t see him come back to the house. Jules and
me had knocked off, he went away, I didn’t see him for two days. After two
days boy we guys… still ..for
that thing. The man came to the door knocked. I said who is it. |
Roberts |
The cops. |
Dillas |
I said who is it. It’s Ross. I said what happened He said
fucking, I can’t do this anymore, I’ve got you guys money I said what I said
your bullshit
He said yeah man, you guys, he was worried that you was careless and was
watching you. He had the apartment he was fixing, the bathroom weren’t
working, so I went up into the woods, Ted’s got a whole acre in the woods
that combines with the Southampton Princess property I just went up there to
get a shit
man and I stumbled the ground felt a little soft, so I just got curious, I
think you guys were doing a little number, I figured it was better me do it,
get the money in some stranger would have stumbled on it, but it weren’t...
if I hadn’t put the tool kit there, he would have never told he took that
money, we fuck
him up, couldn’t live with it, couldn’t even
sleep. When you guys put the tool box there, I thought you guys were outside
my house. |
Young |
Loud laugh. |
Dillas |
I couldn’t live with myself man. |
Young |
He’s fucking
scared. |
Dillas |
I gave him five thousand dollars off the top, that was the
was point where Julian came, he said now fella you can’t be burying this fucking
money like that, that was a life time of risk but I made two, took two
hundred round Julian’s house. Julian used to call me up nightly sometimes
you know, saying cause I had him on the line like... |
Roberts |
But he was sniffing all that was he. |
Dillas |
Yer, yer that’s what I’m telling you now, this is why he
first came into it. |
Roberts |
But he was actually, what did he do, did he smoke it or snort
it? |
Young |
Just sniff, just sniff. |
Dillas |
Two years ago me and... |
Roberts |
Do you still ... do all that there now? |
Dillas |
... he might do. Two years ago, when the man knocked down my
door the first time we started when moose rock set me up, I flushed six
ounces. |
Roberts |
Who’s that guy... |
Dillas |
George umm (speaking together)... |
Young |
Andre Mouchette... shit my brethren from Prospect Primary |
Dillas |
Yer he was the one that set me up right |
Young |
That’s right, that’s right |
Dillas |
I went away with the Strollers right. All that |
Young |
. .
.down.. |
Dillas |
I
was dealing.. |
Young |
Down Crawl. |
Dillas |
I
was giving that guy three to four ounces sometimes down fucking day right.
fucking guy went away with the Strollers and left me with all these ounces,
I didn’t know he got busted on forty second with all these fifties. |
Young |
Yes
he did. |
Dillas |
I
came back in the Island the guy made a deal with the man. |
Roberts |
With
the cops. |
Dillas |
With
the cops I called him when I got back in Island and said hey, you got my
money. He told me, look, man, I only got about seven thousand, the man came
up here and busted and I had to throw the shit away. I said, all right,
cool, shit happens, we’ll make it back up. I’m really believing him now
right. So anyway, this is about a day before Cup Match, we came back in the
island, so we had a Cup Match party at my house. Moose Rock comes up to my
home to the party.. I didn’t give him nothing like, okay, I’m going to give
you a break, take three or four weeks break, let the heat get off you. Same
week, Cup Match week, he comes up to the house to a party and says look man,
I’ve got twelve thousand cash ready now, I wonder if I can have six ounces.
I said who’s it for. He said, it’s for me. The guys setting me up.. I said,
look ,okay I’m not going to do it tonight because I’m not doing it fucking
night time, set it up for tomorrow. But he’s insisting, no man, tonight’s
the night I said, no man, I’ve got guests up here, I’m not going out in the
bushes. Then anyway next night he called me and I said, call me tomorrow,
just after when the sun goes down. So he called me about six o’clock. |
Young |
In
the morning. |
Dillas |
Six
or seven o’clock, no in the evening time, he said look, I’m ready to deal, I
said okay where you to, cause I had when he called me I was just bagging up.
I had the triple beam. . triple beam scale, big scale. |
Young |
. .
.Oh the big fucking |
Dillas |
The
man got it, the man got it.. check this out, I’m here, yes this was a close
call. |
Young |
That’s how made first guy. - |
Dillas |
..
newspaper on the table, made up all the ounces. Triple beam scale, gloves
on. Me yeah, the gloves are on. |
Young |
That’s the thousand one. |
Dillas |
Yer
a thousand one. Plastic bags with all the cut stuff okay.. he calls me, I
told him to call when he leaves forty second call.. .(all speak together). .
.Hotel... .works, started to say myself position I’m just wouldn’t come up,
so after a little while the call came through, it came boom where you too
Inverurie, how you travelling, cab.. cab I said look don’t make the driver
in the yard alright. okay. all right so he’ll be she’ll be there about five
minutes. so it’s doc’s first cousin, that’s how I gave him the hassle, so
anyway, fucking well five minutes, okay, it’s a good job I told him, I
said, doc go out there and watch for the boy when he comes because I’ve told
him lots of times, he don’t listen, he brings the cab right up in the yard.
Larry go out in the fucking, yard boy, this is after about seven or eight
minutes. All of a sudden boy, all these fucking lancers
and shit came up in the yard doors are slamming. hey doc come in all I heard
the cars, I thought that they we’re chasing somebody. Doe came running down
the steps shaking, the fucking man, I’ve the six fucking ounces. I said,
what put the locks on the fucking door it’s a bust, they’re coming to bust
us. Larry was shaking so much the man could not even … he’s shaking,
shaking like this here … I’ve got six ounces
bye, I went to
the fucking toilet, lift up the bow bye, stuffed the whole plastic thing up
the hole right stuffed it up the hole right fucking hit the button bye,
pressed on. That’s how I had experienced this... I was so use to doing it,
paranoia, hit the thing, the package just went … pressure gone. Now the
man’s coming through the door, they saw Larry running, so they bust the
fucking door down, so I had enough time. It was six ounces but I had a raw
ounce, because what I was doing is only five ounces, I had an extra ounce,
he came. what I was doing, four sixes is twenty four, I forgot about that.
I flushed the six, so here I am, they’re breaking the door down with a
fucking mallet and the ounces right there. I had dead locks on the door. I
had done all this and Larry had done nothing. I flushed the six ounces, I
came back to the table, oh fucking, triple beam scale, what am I fucking
going to do, took the fucking triple beam scales, wiped it off as they’re
breaking the fucking door down and threw it in the fucking closet, to say it
weren’t set up, but I did have enough time to like, okay, what they found
there was a newspaper traces of cocaine all over the fucking table. okay,
check this out, the man come, Norell Hull and all the big fucking boys. |
Roberts |
Who? |
Dillas |
Norell Hull. All the other ones. |
Young |
Norell Hull. He’s a Jamaican guy. He was there, he was in charge of
Narcotics. |
Roberts |
Who else? |
Dillas |
All of them. About twenty of them, Dennis Greene. All of them came running
through the wood, they were all around the house. Everywhere. I said of,
fuck
came in, so they got the traces of coke on the table.. who the fuck set
me up. So anyway I forgot part of the extra ounce, just before the door was
coming down I saw the ounce now was on the fucking floor, couldn’t go back
to the bathroom, because they had start breaking the fucking door, Ted’s
hatch took the fucking ounce, went to Ted’s hatch, right boom, kicked the
hatch. |
Roberts |
Where’s the hatch? |
Dillas |
He had the, the hatch is, did you read the first case? |
Roberts |
No, I... |
Dillas |
The whole controversy was if Ted Ming was done that just for drugs. Ted, my
apartment was right here, Ted had, like, some stairs steps that go up from
the apartment and have a dummy hatch in the ceiling, which went into the
living room. That was a big thing in the second case, you remember right. So
I said, fuck the hatch is the only way out, I hit the fucking hatch and Ted
heard the bust and Ted was standing right to the edge. I said, Ted, they’re
coming. Threw the ounce to him, Ted put it down his fucking pants, threw the
hatch down. Just when I came back down the steps, man was in, boom knocked
me to the fuck ground, I said oh, fuck. So, anyway, when the man came in,
this is how we knew Moose Rock set me up, fucking Norell Hull came in, you
fucking boys gonna get twenty fucking years, you’re fucking busted. Where’s
the fucking six ounces. Ehhhh, when he said the exact number I said fucking
Mouchette, that bastard. Man said the man said the exact figure. |
Roberts |
Andre Mouchette.
|
Dillas |
Yeah. He said know we got six ounces in the house, gonna
find it. Man raised the whole house. Ripped everything up. Where’s those
fucking six ounces. I said I ain’t got no six ounces, he said, what’s the
fuck, the newspaper. I said look, sir, I use coke, I said when you came in
I’d just finished buying a gram down the road. Me and my boy buy coke every
for our habit so, why the newspapers there. I said what we was doing was
breaking up our amount equally see what I’m saying now the scale thing, the
scale thing, found the scale, I said now me and your boy. I’m talking like a
bastard now, now this fucking man here, I’ve beaten him up before because he
steals coke from me. I’m telling Larry now, he’s looking at me. He steals
coke from me that’s why I borrowed this scale from my boy so that whenever
we halves on a couple of grams I pull the fucking scale and weigh the
fucking thing. |
Roberts |
What, on a big scale like that there. |
Dillas |
Yeah... |
Young |
Yeah... |
Roberts |
Thought they used tiny scales, man. |
Young |
(Talking together, unreadable). |
Dillas |
No, what I’m saying there’s been a mistake. The man’s
questioning was fucking there was zero point something traces of coke
there, or something, the main thing is now the intent to supply. They ain’t
got no money in here, you ain’t got the six ounces, so this is the bullshit
line they’re putting. That’s the thing. We guys can go to Court and beat
that fucking thing on that rap thing. |
Roberts |
So, what you do about Mouchette. |
Dillas |
Drop the case.. Yeah, he set me the fuck up. You’re bringing
more cocaine in, he says. Check this out. When they handcuffed us, Ted came
down.. Ted came down the stairs what’s going on, officers. What you doing
all over the house. Mr. Ming, these boys been selling coke in your apartment
and you ain’t gonna see them for a long time. They have six ounces of coke
in this house and we’re gonna find it.. They couldn’t find out. fuck, they
went crazy. Guys slappin’ me about, saying where’s the six ounce. Fuck, I
don’t know what you’re talking about.. Fuck, I don’t know what you are
talking about, they hadn’t found that there so what they had brought us in
was for possession of cocaine and drug equipment, that’s when they ordered
us to... services. That was the first time. . .I took It as far as a user,
but they still couldn’t get me...
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