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February 1993

The transcript of the tape that resulted in Dexter Dillas changing his plea to guilty.  The tape lasted about 2 hours:

Dwayne YOUNG

 Out of order.

Dexter DILLAS

 Oh yeah...

YOUNG

You turned it off.

DILLAS

It was on, it was on, came on quick after that. Got out of jail.

YOUNG

 When I got out, I got out November, no I out  fucking

DILLAS

 You called me once and I talked to you remember

YOUNG

 Right and said, whatís happening.

YOUNG

 I think you was, cause you answered, hello hello hello hello (laughter) (Shouting).

YOUNG

 .. .Dukie man. Look talk to you later, busy right now.

Julian ROBERTS

 What youís do bye. What youís doing

YOUNG

 Ring, ring.

ROBERTS

 Itís ringing.

ROBERTS

 You guys must have a lot of that shit innit.

DILLAS

 What.

ROBERTS

 You guys must have a lot of that shit boy (general mumbling).

DILLAS

 Look, look look Jules, kilos. (More mumbling).

ROBERTS

 So how long you been picking up kilos.

DILLAS

 Every week... I made money man, I nothing less of every key, nothing less than $150,000.00. (more mumbling).

DILLAS

 . . .because I turned thirty four into forty right

ROBERTS

 Thirty four into forty?

DILLAS

 Thirty four ounce I turned into forty ounces.  I put four grams of cut into every twenty eight grams.  A kilo is thirty four grams err thirty four ounces right.  I turned thirty four into forty right. Sell them wholesale at 3,000 that is 120,000 ... usually... would end up with two extra ounces of raw and that is what I would use for my entertaining.

YOUNG

 Two ounces raw.

DILLAS

 Raw.

YOUNG

 Laughs

ROBERTS

 Your boy Seney used to bring you all that shit

DILLAS

 Yeah, he just brought two...

ROBERTS

 A key and a half, thatís what he got caught with.

DILLAS

 Yes. With four fucking ounces.

ROBERTS

 How much is a kilo to buy... how many ounces?

DILLAS

 Thirty four ounces. Two point two pounds make a kilo... a pound is sixteen ounces. . .thirty two and two.. .thirty four.

ROBERTS

 Oh so you had a different horse hooking you up then.

DILLAS

 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah he only came round in the last couple of months.

YOUNG

 Angela um um

DILLAS

 ... (Mumbling) No, no the girl that got murdered, Deborah Owens, the one who was supposed to have my baby.  She fucking bought twelve kilos herself, she never got caught.  The came Julio Junki, he bought about five.

YOUNG

 who?

DILLAS

 Julio Junki, a Cuban boy

ROBERTS

Oh he is your main contact

DILLAS

No. Marcos Cohab thatís the guy I was working for up in the States.  After Juki came, came Ruiz after Ruiz came Miranda after Debbie came Angela Trapasso. Also I missed out before Miranda was Danny Latini, the guy who was in jail and died of AIDS. Daniel Latini, then there was Miranda, Miranda was heavy with Trapasso, then there was Paul Seney.

Roberts

 How did your boy Ted get involved man.

Dillas

 Ted picked up from fucking Tony man, from .Ďright underneath my nose, told me he was sending one key, sent two keys, didnít know he had one.

Dillas

 I didnít know why, every time I got a key and look at it, how do you do that there? Let me see. I thought he was just being inquisitive.

Young

 Curious.

Dillas

 Yeah.

Young

 He was just checking whatís happening.

Dillas

 Yeah, he learned very quick.

Young

 (Loud laugh).

Roberts

 Gave you a hundred and ten what.

Dillas

 Thousand dollars.

Roberts

 For what. For a kilo.

Dillas

. . . easy. Thatís wholesale. I could have made two hundred or more.

Dillas

 I was selling wholesale.. .this boy was making dollars. . .he thought that was fun. And then. . .come in so consistently every week, he probably said...

Young

 . . .one hundred and twenty thousand every week.

Dillas

 Yeah, yeah. That used to go in about a week you see what Iím saying I used to have a thing with my boy of every key. I was making sixty, he was making sixty.

Roberts

 Right OK.

Young

 Who is that there

Dillas

 Marcos the main guy.

Roberts

 Would you send him back the sixty.

Dillas

 Yes. Change it all up into US, take about two weeks. . .change up over five thousand, he changed the whole thing clean, no records.

Roberts

 So how your boy Hall get involved?

Dillas

 Huh.

Roberts

 How your boy Hall got in there?

Dillas

 He got involved . . . he knew Marcos Cohab before me.

Roberts

 Oh so he must have run in between.

 

Dillas

 No he never ... no he never really ran with it. But he used to clean up money for Marcos Cohab. When Marcos Cohab first came to Bermuda he was seventeen years old. He bought the house Rocky Thompson had right. He was caught getting out of the Island with one hundred and fifty thousand dollars. Julian Hall got him off right. Ever since then, they became mutual friends. Julian knew what he was about. So Julian was like the advisor, all his runners if they came down and got in trouble . . .see what I'm saying.

Roberts

 Right, right.

Dillas

 He was given money to do this

Roberts

 He was a stand in lawyer more or less.

Dillas

He was given money way in advance in case of Ďemergencies. Emergencies like.. .when they got busted, no money had had to be paid because Julian picked up about one hundred and fifty thousand for emergency things. You know what Iím saying. To reinvest, supposed to open up a pizza shop to camouflage the whole thing. Now with me, now with me, when I got thy first two hundred dollars, well what I used to do was dig a hole in the area up my house area up by my house.  But this guy, he was working for Ted went out to the woods to shit I donít know what made him go up this part of the hill but went up to drop a shit and stepped on a soft part found about one hundred and fifty thousand.  I went to dig that day and it was gone

Young

Loud laugh.

Roberts

Who was the guy.

Dilas

Ross Smith. I had a fit.

Roberts

You had a fit.

Dillas

Hey boy I went crazy. Hey boy check it need some covers. Two days I couldnít figure out who it was... Ted Ming, so he was keeping his tools down stairs at Tedís house right.

Roberts

Two.

Dillas

His tool kit and stuff like that. And fuck him up. I started accusing all these guys. . .so I bought him aÖI went back up the hill. I took the toolbox right, and when he was on his lunch break I just put the boxes in the sand, down beneath his tools and left there. I wanted to see if I could get a reaction from him.  He must have came back and one of his tool boxes must have freaked, I didnít see him come back to the house. Jules and me had knocked off, he went away, I didnít see him for two days. After two days boy we guysÖ still ..for that thing. The man came to the door knocked. I said who is it.

Roberts

 The cops.

Dillas

I said who is it. Itís Ross. I said what happened He said fucking, I canít do this anymore, Iíve got you guys money I said what I said your bullshit He said yeah man, you guys, he was worried that you was careless and was watching you. He had the apartment he was fixing, the bathroom werenít working, so I went up into the woods, Tedís got a whole acre in the woods that combines with the Southampton Princess property I just went up there to get a shit man and I stumbled the ground felt a little soft, so I just got curious, I think you guys were doing a little number, I figured it was better me do it, get the money in some stranger would have stumbled on it, but it werenít... if I hadnít put the tool kit there, he would have never told he took that money, we fuck him up, couldnít live with it, couldnít even sleep. When you guys put the tool box there, I thought you guys were outside my house.

Young

Loud laugh.

Dillas

I couldnít live with myself man.

Young

 Heís fucking scared.

Dillas

I gave him five thousand dollars off the top, that was the was point where Julian came, he said now fella you canít be burying this fucking money like that, that was a life time of risk but I made two, took two hundred round Julianís house. Julian used to call me up nightly sometimes you know, saying cause I had him on the line like...

Roberts

But he was sniffing all that was he.

Dillas

Yer, yer thatís what Iím telling you now, this is why he first came into it.

Roberts

But he was actually, what did he do, did he smoke it or snort it?

Young

Just sniff, just sniff.

Dillas

Two years ago me and...

Roberts

Do you still ... do all that there now?

Dillas

... he might do. Two years ago, when the man knocked down my door the first time we started when moose rock set me up, I flushed six ounces.

Roberts

Whoís that guy...

Dillas

George umm (speaking together)...

Young

Andre Mouchette... shit my brethren from Prospect Primary

Dillas

 Yer he was the one that set me up right

Young

 Thatís right, thatís right

Dillas

 I went away with the Strollers right.  All that

Young

. . .down..

Dillas

I was dealing..

Young

Down Crawl.

Dillas

I was giving that guy three to four ounces sometimes down fucking day right. fucking guy went away with the Strollers and left me with all these ounces, I didnít know he got busted on forty second with all these fifties.

Young

 Yes he did.

Dillas

I came back in the Island the guy made a deal with the man.

Roberts

With the cops.

Dillas

With the cops I called him when I got back in Island and said hey, you got my money. He told me, look, man, I only got about seven thousand, the man came up here and busted and I had to throw the shit away. I said, all right, cool, shit happens, weíll make it back up. Iím really believing him now right. So anyway, this is about a day before Cup Match, we came back in the island, so we had a Cup Match party at my house. Moose Rock comes up to my home to the party.. I didnít give him nothing like, okay, Iím going to give you a break, take three or four weeks break, let the heat get off you. Same week, Cup Match week, he comes up to the house to a party and says look man, Iíve got twelve thousand cash ready now, I wonder if I can have six ounces. I said whoís it for. He said, itís for me. The guys setting me up.. I said, look ,okay Iím not going to do it tonight because Iím not doing it fucking night time, set it up for tomorrow. But heís insisting, no man, tonightís the night I said, no man, Iíve got guests up here, Iím not going out in the bushes. Then anyway next night he called me and I said, call me tomorrow, just after when the sun goes down. So he called me about six oíclock.

Young

In the morning.

Dillas

Six or seven oíclock, no in the evening time, he said look, Iím ready to deal, I said okay where you to, cause I had when he called me I was just bagging up. I had the triple beam. . triple beam scale, big scale.

Young

. . .Oh the big fucking

Dillas

The man got it, the man got it.. check this out, Iím here, yes this was a close call.

Young

Thatís how made first guy. -

Dillas

.. newspaper on the table, made up all the ounces. Triple beam scale, gloves on. Me yeah, the gloves are on.

Young

 Thatís the thousand one.

Dillas

Yer a thousand one. Plastic bags with all the cut stuff okay.. he calls me, I told him to call when he leaves forty second call.. .(all speak together). . .Hotel... .works, started to say myself position Iím just wouldnít come up, so after a little while the call came through, it came boom where you too Inverurie, how you travelling, cab.. cab I said look donít make the driver in the yard alright. okay. all right so heíll be sheíll be there about five minutes. so itís docís first cousin, thatís how I gave him the hassle, so anyway, fucking well five minutes, okay, itís a good job I told him, I said, doc go out there and watch for the boy when he comes because Iíve told him lots of times, he donít listen, he brings the cab right up in the yard. Larry go out in the fucking, yard boy, this is after about seven or eight minutes. All of a sudden boy, all these fucking lancers and shit came up in the yard doors are slamming. hey doc come in all I heard the cars, I thought that they weíre chasing somebody. Doe came running down the steps shaking, the fucking man, Iíve the six fucking ounces.  I said, what put the locks on the fucking door itís a bust, theyíre coming to bust us.  Larry was shaking so much the man could not even Ö heís shaking, shaking like this here Ö Iíve got six ounces bye, I went to the fucking toilet, lift up the bow bye, stuffed the whole plastic thing up the hole right stuffed it up the hole right fucking hit the button bye, pressed on. Thatís how I had experienced this... I was so use to doing it, paranoia, hit the thing, the package just went Ö pressure gone. Now the manís coming through the door, they saw Larry running, so they bust the fucking door down, so I had enough time. It was six ounces but I had a raw ounce, because what I was doing is only five ounces, I had an extra ounce, he came.  what I was doing, four sixes is twenty four, I forgot about that. I flushed the six, so here I am, theyíre breaking the door down with a fucking mallet and the ounces right there. I had dead locks on the door. I had done all this and Larry had done nothing. I flushed the six ounces, I came back to the table, oh fucking, triple beam scale, what am I fucking going to do, took the fucking triple beam scales, wiped it off as theyíre breaking the fucking door down and threw it in the fucking closet, to say it werenít set up, but I did have enough time to like, okay, what they found there was a newspaper traces of cocaine all over the fucking table. okay, check this out, the man come, Norell Hull and all the big fucking boys.

Roberts

 Who?

Dillas

Norell Hull. All the other ones.

Young

Norell Hull. Heís a Jamaican guy. He was there, he was in charge of Narcotics.

Roberts

 Who else?

Dillas

 All of them. About twenty of them, Dennis Greene. All of them came running through the wood, they were all around the house. Everywhere. I said of, fuck came in, so they got the traces of coke on the table.. who the fuck set me up. So anyway I forgot part of the extra ounce, just before the door was coming down I saw the ounce now was on the fucking floor, couldnít go back to the bathroom, because they had start breaking the fucking door, Tedís hatch took the fucking ounce, went to Tedís hatch, right boom, kicked the hatch.

Roberts

 Whereís the hatch?

Dillas

He had the, the hatch is, did you read the first case?

Roberts

 No, I...

Dillas

The whole controversy was if Ted Ming was done that just for drugs. Ted, my apartment was right here, Ted had, like, some stairs steps that go up from the apartment and have a dummy hatch in the ceiling, which went into the living room. That was a big thing in the second case, you remember right. So I said, fuck the hatch is the only way out, I hit the fucking hatch and Ted heard the bust and Ted was standing right to the edge. I said, Ted, theyíre coming. Threw the ounce to him, Ted put it down his fucking pants, threw the hatch down. Just when I came back down the steps, man was in, boom knocked me to the fuck ground, I said oh, fuck.  So, anyway, when the man came in, this is how we knew Moose Rock set me up, fucking Norell Hull came in, you fucking boys gonna get twenty fucking years, youíre fucking busted. Whereís the fucking six ounces. Ehhhh, when he said the exact number I said fucking Mouchette, that bastard. Man said the man said the exact figure.

Roberts

Andre Mouchette.

Dillas

Yeah.  He said know we got six ounces in the house, gonna find it. Man raised the whole house. Ripped everything up. Whereís those fucking six ounces. I said I ainít got no six ounces, he said, whatís the fuck, the newspaper. I said look, sir, I use coke, I said when you came in Iíd just finished buying a gram down the road. Me and my boy buy coke every for our habit so, why the newspapers there. I said what we was doing was breaking up our amount equally see what Iím say≠ing now the scale thing, the scale thing, found the scale, I said now me and your boy. Iím talking like a bastard now, now this fucking man here, Iíve beaten him up before because he steals coke from me. Iím telling Larry now, heís looking at me. He steals coke from me thatís why I borrowed this scale from my boy so that whenever we halves on a couple of grams I pull the fucking scale and weigh the fucking thing.

Roberts

What, on a big scale like that there.

Dillas

Yeah...

Young

Yeah...

Roberts

Thought they used tiny scales, man.

Young

 (Talking together, unreadable).

Dillas

No, what Iím saying thereís been a mistake. The manís questioning was fucking there was zero point some≠thing traces of coke there, or something, the main thing is now the intent to supply. They ainít got no money in here, you ainít got the six ounces, so this is the bullshit line theyíre putting. Thatís the thing. We guys can go to Court and beat that fucking thing on that rap thing.

Roberts

So, what you do about Mouchette.

Dillas

Drop the case.. Yeah, he set me the fuck up.  Youíre bringing more cocaine in, he says. Check this out. When they handcuffed us, Ted came down.. Ted came down the stairs whatís going on, officers. What you doing all over the house. Mr. Ming, these boys been selling coke in your apartment and you ainít gonna see them for a long time. They have six ounces of coke in this house and weíre gonna find it.. They couldnít find out. fuck, they went crazy. Guys slappiní me about, saying whereís the six ounce. Fuck, I donít know what youíre talking about.. Fuck, I donít know what you are talking about, they hadnít found that there so what they had brought us in was for possession of cocaine and drug equipment, thatís when they or≠dered us to... services. That was the first time. . .I took It as far as a user, but they still couldnít get me...

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